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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:40 pm 
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So a player gets yellow carded five mins into a game for frustratingly kicking the ball away after conceding a free kick. His team go one nil up and let’s say half hour into the second half a player from the opposing side does exactly the same offence but the referee says no yellow son have ten minutes in the sin bin. This is now causing mayhem because the team chasing the game would rather have the yellow they want eleven on the pitch so they can grab there equaliser. No consistency there. This is just a kind of example as to some of the situations that will crop up. This is going to cause more harm than good.


As I understand it, from the league meeting I attended - the sin bin is for dissent offences only. All other offences will still carry the normal yellow/red card punishment.

First dissent offence - Sin Bin for 10 minutes - no yellow card, zero fine.
Second dissent offence - Sent off, fined as if the player had received a yellow and a straight red. Suspension to follow.

Again, just as I took it from the meeting I attended, could have got some of the details wrong. That’s Durham FA’s enforcement guidelines I believe.

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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:44 pm 
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Can't wait to see the time wasting and games slowed down to a snails pace as teams try and run down the clock until thrir sin binned player comes back on :roll:

Maybe the FA should have the bottle to get referees to enforce the powers they have already.

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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:59 pm 
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Simple answer to this is don’t show dissent to match officials then it will not be unmanageable.


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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:18 pm 
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100% a player will tell ref where to get off and nothing will happen them a player will say blimey ref I don't agree with that Sin Bin then whole bench goes up Sin Bin :)


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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:09 pm 
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Sin bin for dissent offences only, biggest problem is referees opinion as to what is dissent will vary greatly.


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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:21 pm 
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How many yellow cards for sin bin offences are awarded for your team on average through the season. General question.

My thoughts this will not be as bad as some make out I don’t think, the mouth piece of the team will soon get told to shut up if he is getting removed for ten minutes each game and if he does not then well the decision is yours.

Players saying they will quit the game because of it shows a lack of self discipline does it not.

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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:46 am 
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Have to agree that something needs to be done with regard to dissent. Being a Rugby League supporter this happens very infrequently because of the sin bin and because you can loose your team 10 yards also. (Wasn't this trialled a few years ago as well?)

I think it's awful seeing players surround the ref following a decision and berating every decision he makes. It's high time something was brought in and maybe it will stop. I do believe though that initiatives like this though should be brought in at the top and trickle down, not brought in 'at the bottom' and trickle up.

I have seen a Brandon player sent off for dissent after HE was fouled and then verbally laid into the referee. Even after getting a yellow, he continued and then got another yellow!


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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
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I've been playing in a league with this arrangement and I am also a referee, so I can offer what I hope is an informed opinion after some facts and observations.

Facts and observations:
The sin bin is for dissent only. Dissent can be through word or deed. I have seen it used for a player telling a refereee to foxtrot oscar and I've also seen it for a player kicking a ball away. I've also seen players sin binned for arguing the toss over a decision.

Once sin binned, the player remains off until ten minutes of the ball being 'in-play' have elapsed. I've seen single match officials try to manage this as well as the overall game time keeping. I've also seen sidelines then give the referee even more stick as their watches say ten minutes has elapsed.

The paperwork back from the County FA first details the sin bin (this counts against a club's discipline score) then has a return slip to acknowledge the sin bin event. The reminder comes as a paid invoice, but with a covering letter stating failure to respond with the correctly completed paperwork will result in a fine. I had to read the reminder twice to understand what was going on.

Opinions based on the above:

The player swearing directly at the referee (he was on my side) should have been given a straight red. Full stop. The player kicking the ball away, is it dissent through deed? It could be. It delayed the restart of the game, so it should have been a yellow card. The players nagging the referee- well that is the reason it has been introduced, to reduce this nagging- got what they should have under this arrangement, but in all honesty I'd have given each of them a yellow.

As a ref I wear two count down watches, one to note the designated 45 minutes of the half, the other to note time added for stoppages. It works well and I can readily illustrate to players either watch. They tend to accept it readily. As a single official, I'd have to do without one watch or be constantly checking my wrist (and potentially missing things). In a Northern League context I would instruct an assistant to set a timer and to bring to my attention when ten minutes of ball in play time had elapsed. I'd be tempted to instruct the assistant on the far side to the dugouts to do this. Therefore I think it is more manageable at a Northern league game than at a parks game.

The paperwork is an add-on to the existing caution paperwork and is potentially misleading. Rather like the implementation of the sin bin, a hotch potch and pretty much needless as it serves no function that is not already covered by cautions and dismissals.

BUT, and this is the biggie, strictly speaking referees should issue more cards for foul or abusive language.

Basically I agree with Sossa. Players should keep a civil mouth. I was cautioned a month ago on a Sunday. My marker isolated me in the channel, showed me the ball and I went to nick it. He shifted the ball and I upended him. First foul, nothing nasty, I picked him up, we laughed. The referee cautioned me. I said "But that's my first". He said yep, but it was in a dangerous area of the pitch. I said "It might have been careless, but it wasn't reckless". He repeated the bit about the part of the pitch it was in. I don't normally argue that much, but I had been spotless up to that foul. I gave him my name and he thanked me for being so reasonable!!!
I had argued with him and he thought I was so reasonable I deserved a thank you. Imagine how much grief that bloke must get from everyone else...


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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:53 pm 
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johnna wrote:
I've been playing in a league with this arrangement and I am also a referee, so I can offer what I hope is an informed opinion after some facts and observations.

Facts and observations:
The sin bin is for dissent only. Dissent can be through word or deed. I have seen it used for a player telling a refereee to foxtrot oscar and I've also seen it for a player kicking a ball away. I've also seen players sin binned for arguing the toss over a decision.

Once sin binned, the player remains off until ten minutes of the ball being 'in-play' have elapsed. I've seen single match officials try to manage this as well as the overall game time keeping. I've also seen sidelines then give the referee even more stick as their watches say ten minutes has elapsed.

The paperwork back from the County FA first details the sin bin (this counts against a club's discipline score) then has a return slip to acknowledge the sin bin event. The reminder comes as a paid invoice, but with a covering letter stating failure to respond with the correctly completed paperwork will result in a fine. I had to read the reminder twice to understand what was going on.

Opinions based on the above:

The player swearing directly at the referee (he was on my side) should have been given a straight red. Full stop. The player kicking the ball away, is it dissent through deed? It could be. It delayed the restart of the game, so it should have been a yellow card. The players nagging the referee- well that is the reason it has been introduced, to reduce this nagging- got what they should have under this arrangement, but in all honesty I'd have given each of them a yellow.

As a ref I wear two count down watches, one to note the designated 45 minutes of the half, the other to note time added for stoppages. It works well and I can readily illustrate to players either watch. They tend to accept it readily. As a single official, I'd have to do without one watch or be constantly checking my wrist (and potentially missing things). In a Northern League context I would instruct an assistant to set a timer and to bring to my attention when ten minutes of ball in play time had elapsed. I'd be tempted to instruct the assistant on the far side to the dugouts to do this. Therefore I think it is more manageable at a Northern league game than at a parks game.

The paperwork is an add-on to the existing caution paperwork and is potentially misleading. Rather like the implementation of the sin bin, a hotch potch and pretty much needless as it serves no function that is not already covered by cautions and dismissals.

BUT, and this is the biggie, strictly speaking referees should issue more cards for foul or abusive language.

Basically I agree with Sossa. Players should keep a civil mouth. I was cautioned a month ago on a Sunday. My marker isolated me in the channel, showed me the ball and I went to nick it. He shifted the ball and I upended him. First foul, nothing nasty, I picked him up, we laughed. The referee cautioned me. I said "But that's my first". He said yep, but it was in a dangerous area of the pitch. I said "It might have been careless, but it wasn't reckless". He repeated the bit about the part of the pitch it was in. I don't normally argue that much, but I had been spotless up to that foul. I gave him my name and he thanked me for being so reasonable!!!
I had argued with him and he thought I was so reasonable I deserved a thank you. Imagine how much grief that bloke must get from everyone else...


Where do goalkeepers fit into the sun bin arrangement?? What with them being a specialist position??


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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:06 pm 
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Oink Oink wrote:
johnna wrote:
I've been playing in a league with this arrangement and I am also a referee, so I can offer what I hope is an informed opinion after some facts and observations.

Facts and observations:
The sin bin is for dissent only. Dissent can be through word or deed. I have seen it used for a player telling a refereee to foxtrot oscar and I've also seen it for a player kicking a ball away. I've also seen players sin binned for arguing the toss over a decision.

Once sin binned, the player remains off until ten minutes of the ball being 'in-play' have elapsed. I've seen single match officials try to manage this as well as the overall game time keeping. I've also seen sidelines then give the referee even more stick as their watches say ten minutes has elapsed.

The paperwork back from the County FA first details the sin bin (this counts against a club's discipline score) then has a return slip to acknowledge the sin bin event. The reminder comes as a paid invoice, but with a covering letter stating failure to respond with the correctly completed paperwork will result in a fine. I had to read the reminder twice to understand what was going on.

Opinions based on the above:

The player swearing directly at the referee (he was on my side) should have been given a straight red. Full stop. The player kicking the ball away, is it dissent through deed? It could be. It delayed the restart of the game, so it should have been a yellow card. The players nagging the referee- well that is the reason it has been introduced, to reduce this nagging- got what they should have under this arrangement, but in all honesty I'd have given each of them a yellow.

As a ref I wear two count down watches, one to note the designated 45 minutes of the half, the other to note time added for stoppages. It works well and I can readily illustrate to players either watch. They tend to accept it readily. As a single official, I'd have to do without one watch or be constantly checking my wrist (and potentially missing things). In a Northern League context I would instruct an assistant to set a timer and to bring to my attention when ten minutes of ball in play time had elapsed. I'd be tempted to instruct the assistant on the far side to the dugouts to do this. Therefore I think it is more manageable at a Northern league game than at a parks game.

The paperwork is an add-on to the existing caution paperwork and is potentially misleading. Rather like the implementation of the sin bin, a hotch potch and pretty much needless as it serves no function that is not already covered by cautions and dismissals.

BUT, and this is the biggie, strictly speaking referees should issue more cards for foul or abusive language.

Basically I agree with Sossa. Players should keep a civil mouth. I was cautioned a month ago on a Sunday. My marker isolated me in the channel, showed me the ball and I went to nick it. He shifted the ball and I upended him. First foul, nothing nasty, I picked him up, we laughed. The referee cautioned me. I said "But that's my first". He said yep, but it was in a dangerous area of the pitch. I said "It might have been careless, but it wasn't reckless". He repeated the bit about the part of the pitch it was in. I don't normally argue that much, but I had been spotless up to that foul. I gave him my name and he thanked me for being so reasonable!!!
I had argued with him and he thought I was so reasonable I deserved a thank you. Imagine how much grief that bloke must get from everyone else...


Where do goalkeepers fit into the sun bin arrangement?? What with them being a specialist position??

If it’s you Andy 20 mins in the bin mate

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 Post subject: Re: Sin Bin next season!
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bigcbeat wrote:
Oink Oink wrote:
johnna wrote:
I've been playing in a league with this arrangement and I am also a referee, so I can offer what I hope is an informed opinion after some facts and observations.

Facts and observations:
The sin bin is for dissent only. Dissent can be through word or deed. I have seen it used for a player telling a refereee to foxtrot oscar and I've also seen it for a player kicking a ball away. I've also seen players sin binned for arguing the toss over a decision.

Once sin binned, the player remains off until ten minutes of the ball being 'in-play' have elapsed. I've seen single match officials try to manage this as well as the overall game time keeping. I've also seen sidelines then give the referee even more stick as their watches say ten minutes has elapsed.

The paperwork back from the County FA first details the sin bin (this counts against a club's discipline score) then has a return slip to acknowledge the sin bin event. The reminder comes as a paid invoice, but with a covering letter stating failure to respond with the correctly completed paperwork will result in a fine. I had to read the reminder twice to understand what was going on.

Opinions based on the above:

The player swearing directly at the referee (he was on my side) should have been given a straight red. Full stop. The player kicking the ball away, is it dissent through deed? It could be. It delayed the restart of the game, so it should have been a yellow card. The players nagging the referee- well that is the reason it has been introduced, to reduce this nagging- got what they should have under this arrangement, but in all honesty I'd have given each of them a yellow.

As a ref I wear two count down watches, one to note the designated 45 minutes of the half, the other to note time added for stoppages. It works well and I can readily illustrate to players either watch. They tend to accept it readily. As a single official, I'd have to do without one watch or be constantly checking my wrist (and potentially missing things). In a Northern League context I would instruct an assistant to set a timer and to bring to my attention when ten minutes of ball in play time had elapsed. I'd be tempted to instruct the assistant on the far side to the dugouts to do this. Therefore I think it is more manageable at a Northern league game than at a parks game.

The paperwork is an add-on to the existing caution paperwork and is potentially misleading. Rather like the implementation of the sin bin, a hotch potch and pretty much needless as it serves no function that is not already covered by cautions and dismissals.

BUT, and this is the biggie, strictly speaking referees should issue more cards for foul or abusive language.

Basically I agree with Sossa. Players should keep a civil mouth. I was cautioned a month ago on a Sunday. My marker isolated me in the channel, showed me the ball and I went to nick it. He shifted the ball and I upended him. First foul, nothing nasty, I picked him up, we laughed. The referee cautioned me. I said "But that's my first". He said yep, but it was in a dangerous area of the pitch. I said "It might have been careless, but it wasn't reckless". He repeated the bit about the part of the pitch it was in. I don't normally argue that much, but I had been spotless up to that foul. I gave him my name and he thanked me for being so reasonable!!!
I had argued with him and he thought I was so reasonable I deserved a thank you. Imagine how much grief that bloke must get from everyone else...


Where do goalkeepers fit into the sun bin arrangement?? What with them being a specialist position??

If it’s you Andy 20 mins in the bin mate


From the experience above, it applies to goalkeepers just as equally as it does outfield players. The two continuing to argue the toss were keepers who got binned!


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